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Post by nash on Sept 9, 2023 18:12:36 GMT -7
To Cremona: Nik Ehlers
To Chelsea: Gabe Vilardi and Cole Harbour 2RR 2023
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Post by Oxford United on Sept 9, 2023 19:39:16 GMT -7
A 1RW for a 2C and a 2nd. This will turn out even if Vilardi stays healthy. But he won’t.
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Post by nash on Sept 9, 2023 19:54:27 GMT -7
I hope you're right about him being a first liner, but not a RW'er. I need him at LW and thought he ran behind Connor.
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Post by Belfast on Sept 9, 2023 20:01:46 GMT -7
The risk here is all on Barry. We'll hope it turns out well for him, but as usual, the "best" player goes to Cremona. Funny how that happens ;-)
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Post by nash on Sept 9, 2023 21:08:04 GMT -7
The risk here is all on Barry. We'll hope it turns out well for him, but as usual, the "best" player goes to Cremona. Funny how that happens ;-) I'm not sure I agree with Barry carrying all the risk. One guy had 12 goals last year, the other had 23. I got the one with 12 goals. |
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Post by Belfast on Sept 9, 2023 21:16:44 GMT -7
Pardon my lack of empathy for your player who had a poor year, but a perennial 30 goal scorer with 225 shots+ with 8 seasons of proven track record, that's still only 27 vs a 24 year old with not even one complete season....seems....that you aren't risking much, in my opinion of course.
As I said, hopefully it works out and Vilardi is what's advertised. If so, then it would seem at least a fair hockey trade.
And this is all just opinions form the peanut gallery after all. As long as you're both satisfied, or at least mildly uncomfortable with the deal, then that's all that matters.
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Post by Oxford United on Sept 9, 2023 21:37:15 GMT -7
I hope you're right about him being a first liner, but not a RW'er. I need him at LW and thought he ran behind Connor. Skaters' positions list preferred position first. Ehlers is rated RW/LW and so is a rare lefty who plays mostly right wing. Because he is left handed, it's likely he'll retain his LW rating. He seems quite flexible. |
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Post by nash on Sept 9, 2023 21:41:06 GMT -7
Pardon my lack of empathy for your player who had a poor year, but a perennial 30 goal scorer with 225 shots+ with 8 seasons of proven track record, that's still only 27 vs a 24 year old with not even one complete season....seems....that you aren't risking much, in my opinion of course. As I said, hopefully it works out and Vilardi is what's advertised. If so, then it would seem at least a fair hockey trade. And this is all just opinions form the peanut gallery after all. As long as you're both satisfied, or at least mildly uncomfortable with the deal, then that's all that matters. Admittedly my expectation of Vilardi is pretty high going forward. Your dogged pursuit of him increased my opinion of him. |
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Post by Belfast on Sept 9, 2023 21:45:17 GMT -7
I think he has a good card that would have been a perfect fit for my team for the year I need one to cover. I wasn't concerned with next year or 2 or 3 years out. Dogged may be an overstatement, probably regret that I let you swindle me into taking Ritchie instead of him in our deal.
But Pirates gonna pirate I guess LOL.
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Post by nash on Sept 9, 2023 21:46:55 GMT -7
I'm surprised you remembered that. I only asked for a 3rd back to include him instead of Ritchie. Too much I guess  |
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Post by Oxford United on Sept 9, 2023 22:45:08 GMT -7
The risk here is all on Barry. We'll hope it turns out well for him, but as usual, the "best" player goes to Cremona. Funny how that happens ;-) I'm not sure I agree with Barry carrying all the risk. One guy had 12 goals last year, the other had 23. I got the one with 12 goals. Good point. Ehlers scored at 1.00/60 and Vilardi 1.37/60, so short term this looks pretty good for Chelsea. |
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Post by Chelsea on Sept 10, 2023 13:33:35 GMT -7
I usually don't comment on trades but here goes. | Year | Games | Goals | | 15/16 | 72 | 15 | | 16/17 | 82 | 25 | | 17/18 | 82 | 29 | | 18/19 | 62 | 21 | | 19/20 | 71 | 25 | | 20/21 | 47 | 21 | | 21/22 | 62 | 28 | | 22/23 | 45 | 12 |
I am still trying to find Daniels' perennial 30 goal guy in these stats. He does have a proven track record of being injured for every one of the past 5 seasons though. Sure prorate the goals and 2 of the seasons are 30+ goals but he has averaged 58 games the last 5 seasons. To say I am taking all the risk is ridiculous, I am risking Vilardi isn't a one-off but Nash is risking a good young guy in the hope Ehlers will have some injury free years that produce a lot of goals. |
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Post by Oxford United on Sept 10, 2023 14:32:34 GMT -7
Well said, Barry.
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Post by nash on Sept 10, 2023 15:02:28 GMT -7
In Daniel's defence, despite being interested in Vilardi for this season, he does not value him as a long term asset, which he did state. This is demonstrated by his offer of to me of Marchment and his 2nd in 2025 for Vilardi. Barry clearly paid much more than that for Vilardi in Ehlers.
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Post by Belfast on Sept 10, 2023 16:21:24 GMT -7
I guess that depends on what a person thinks a players ability is. Just my personal opinion, but Marchment was hurt last year, in a completely different system and had some puck unluck with his shooting percentage. He's 28 vs Ehlers 27. He's also a big guy who had to work on his skating, as usual those bigger guys take longer to hit their peak.
He had 47 points in 54 games in FLA, driving play pretty much by himself. He had 31 points in 68 games last year, under the above mentioned conditions. With Dal picking up Duchene, he's looking at playing with Seguin and Duchene. I like his chances to be much better, healthy, accustomed to the system and with very good linemates. He'll also get many of the intangibles we all want in the FC, I, S etc.
It's all about peoples perceptions and expectations of players. Everyone takes risk in trading, and it's fine if both parties don't agree on a players value assessment.
It's not that I don't appreciate Vilardi has a fair amount of runway, based on his age, but I'm leery of overpaying for a possibility of a single card peak year. IF he turns into a 30 goal C/R, awesome for whoever has him. But we've all seen the young guys come from nowhere and disappear back into nowhere just as fast.
Obviously this isn't about just Marchment and Vilardi, but applies to a large number of trade proposals and how GM's think of other peoples players. If you're both happy, great.
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