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Post by brandonmoose on Nov 6, 2022 15:28:38 GMT -7
Nash has a 5/5 and 4/4 dman on defense for some reason he feels I am still shooting against there regular 3/3 ranges when taking a DN shot on rhe pp. Would it not be D9. Also he thinks clearing is 6 and not 9. We use the pk ratings for clearing correct?
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Post by revelstoke on Nov 6, 2022 15:57:07 GMT -7
It isn't based on the d numbers any more but the total pk defence if I understand it correctly.
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Post by QC Mike on Nov 11, 2022 22:46:36 GMT -7
Dn results with advantage are compared to team defence the same way N (number) results are. Use the PK-4 and PK-3 rows to determine team defence. Dn with disadvantage is compared to LD + RD + 2. Use the PK rating when determining defence and clearing when disadvantaged. 7.3.5 doesn't say to use the players PK ratings when at a disadvantage. Is the last line just an over reach from the presented scenario because the players in question were on the PK?
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Does it mean if I'm sitting on a one goal lead late in the third and have my top defensive players out there to try and see the win home. The opponent pulls their goalie and so now that I'm at a disadvantage Charlie McAvoy goes from a 5/5 to a 2/2 (PK) at the extreme but most of my other ES shut down players lose D as they're not rated as well on the PK (Lindholm, Giroux, Schmaltz). I may have to put JVR and his 0 defense out at the end of games as he improves to a 1 on the PK (like every other zero defence forward) as it might discourage shenanigans like pulling the goalie.  |
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Post by Shamrockville on Nov 12, 2022 0:34:42 GMT -7
I had to look, but yeah 6v5 is advantage...but it is NOT Disadvantage for the 5 team.
I suspect that you still play as if you were 5v5 and the 6 player gets advantage AND has an empty net for you to shoot at.
I'll await my prize in the mail for figuring out this word play boggle. ;-)
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Post by QC Mike on Nov 12, 2022 14:20:55 GMT -7
7.3.6 Disadvantage says if your team has Disadvantage, sum the Penalty Kill defense rating of all skaters. It also contains an exception when 5v6 for which you calculate defence as if playing 5v5. This is reinforced by the Condition cards I published earlier this season. No issues disputing I calculate the defence as if playing 5v5.
But do I use the PK defence rating as it states in the first line of 7.3.5 or do I use their ES defence rating as implied by the last line of 7.3.5? I can make logical arguments either way based on the wording. I think (hope) the intention was that in a 5v6 the players use their ES defence but suffer the disadvantages as outlined on the Condition card. It's just not as clear as it could (should) be.
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