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Post by nash on Aug 28, 2022 18:43:59 GMT -7
Hey all,
One of the strategies being undertaken to manage roster size in order to comply with the 35 body limit has been to trade extra bodies to a friendly GM with roster space and then one year later to receive those players back minus a consideration for holding onto the extra bodies.
The roster limit is in place to encourage a manager with extra depth to either trade those extra players to another manager with need or to lose the players to the free agent pool.
I wanted to get some feedback from the league whether this is considered appropriate or whether it is a means of evading roster limits.
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Post by Shamrockville on Aug 28, 2022 19:55:21 GMT -7
Most people dont trade. The idea isn't just to hide players, either. Some cases work out like that, some dont. Sometimes those players simply get dropped. Most times a manager offers to take on those players in exchange for some commodity that they might benefit from.
We're also limited in when and to whom we can trade surplus players.
Extending the time required to get a player back simply increases the limited likelihood that players may make trades. Sometimes you have traders remorse after trading away a player that you like and simply want to get him back.
I know the roster limits are there to encourage trading, but they dont seem to have done so and people that draft well often get punished by having to trade actual players for less than any real vale for them or simply cut them and get nothing for them.
I'll only speak for myself, but when I drafted well over the last 3 years, I have several good, promising young guys that simply need more time to get into those top 6 roles, but Im unable to keep them and then have to make large package deals when I may not actually want to do so.
I know we need roster limits, but in essence they've done me no favors,and Ive had to trade players from 1st round picks, when Id much rather have been able to keep them. The only other option would have been to move out an equivalent number of my top 9 players which would just gut my team. Its a no win situation.
If managers were more open to trading and moving players around, it might not be an issue, but with the stagnant trading we seem to have, all that ends up happening is that certain teams trade much more frequently than most. This will always result in some of those players swapping hands back to the original teams, simply because the pool is smaller with only 3-4 teams doing 80% of the trading. Increasing the time of return players will only squash those trades even further.
If "evading" roster limits with players like Nico Sturm and Zach Sanford...whom Ive flogged ALL YEAR....are going to unbalance the league, then I think we have bigger issues.
As you said, I could simply drop them and use a draft pick to pick them up next year again, so how is that any different than roster shuffling them for a draft pick that the other coach keeps? It's the exact same, unless someone then uses a higher draft pick to pick a free agent, which...if they wanted that guy...why wouldnt they have traded for them when I made them available.
Im not so worried about lesser players but if you increase time f return for marquee players, in light of the few teams that actually trade, then you're just limiting trade potential even further.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by amack17 on Aug 29, 2022 10:34:29 GMT -7
I have never really thought of this as collusion. Sometimes, when we make trades we have to include pieces that we would rather hold on to, a prospect or a younger guy goes out to bring in an established player for a playoff push, then things change, injuries or what not and now we might want that prospect back, I don’t imagine that this is generally the plan when the initial trade is made, but is a result of circumstance. Would we want to restrict these trades from taking place?
What about modifying the rule to allow trades through a third party? This would encourage more trading, which is a big part of the roster size limitation anyways. I would add that players cannot return to their original teams within the season.
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Post by nash on Aug 30, 2022 9:36:53 GMT -7
Thanks for the feedback guys. We'll discuss further during the rules proposals call on September 8th.
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