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Post by Chelsea on Aug 14, 2023 15:24:49 GMT -7
Let's do ASAP, I won't have my list of potential guys for the 5th round in 2025 until 3 weeks from now and don't want to waste any time on it if I don't have to.
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Post by Oxford United on Aug 14, 2023 16:49:24 GMT -7
I think this should take effect for 2024. Anyone who trades a 5th between now and the AGM should understand they’re trading pick 49 (ish).
The fifth round has very little impact, and I can’t imagine that any adaptation would be required to pick one player fewer.
Let’s take steps now to end team bloat, not put them off while we bloat some more.
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Post by nash on Aug 14, 2023 17:09:23 GMT -7
Enough picks have been traded in 2024 that diluting their value for the managers is unfair. It will go in effect in 2025 since only a couple of later picks have been traded.
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Post by amack17 on Aug 14, 2023 20:24:25 GMT -7
No one seems particularly against this rule, perhaps a simple vote for when it should go into effect, 2025 vs 2026?
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Post by Belfast on Aug 14, 2023 23:04:20 GMT -7
I think, more to the point, those of us who are definitely against it simply know how the masses will vote, so why bother arguing any further?
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Post by amack17 on Aug 15, 2023 7:36:17 GMT -7
Because you might change someone's mind. I wasn't sure about a couple of these at the start, but some of the arguments and explanations have helped form an opinion. What are your reasons for nit wanting to reduce the draft? Right now it seems like everyone is on board with an update here, but, that is only the voices that have weighed in.
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Post by Oxford United on Aug 15, 2023 8:44:01 GMT -7
I'll weigh in with my goal in suggesting this change.
I would like to thin the overall talent level of the CHL such that its teams more resemble NHL teams rather than mutant super teams. I think lowering the size of the draft is one means by which we can slowly lower the talent level. It will take years. Years and years.
As to why I would want to do this, well, the CHL has 19 #1 centers on 12 teams. That's 1.67 per team, where the NHL has, of course, 1.0. Further, the CHL has 18 #1 LW, 17 #1 RW, 19 #1 LD, and 16 #1 RD.
You can dispute the numbers - they'd vary slightly depending on source (I used Dobber's annual Fantasy Guide) - but there's no denying that CHL teams are superpowered. There's a CHL team with 13 top-6 forwards. Another has 8 top-4 defencemen. This concentration of talent can lead to a huge disparity between the top and bottom teams, even within a league that is way above average on the aggregate.
I'm not trying to spoil anyone's fun, just trying to reduce the talent level to a point where we're constructing teams on which (NHL) 3rd and 4th line skaters are part of team-building strategy. Short of a salary or talent cap of some sort, reducing the supply is the only means by which to lower overall skater quality. (Though I'm sure there are others I've just not thought of.)
Vote to lower the draft to 4 rounds if you agree. Vote against the change if you think that this will have no effect, a negative effect, or if you're happy with the status quo.
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Post by QC Mike on Aug 15, 2023 9:44:01 GMT -7
I don't really have a dog in this fight although I have to say the prospect of going to four rounds excites me a bit as it helps those GMs that draft well. If it goes through and once it takes effect, the starting asking price for a 3rd line game-playing schlub just went up to a second rounder.
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Post by QC Mike on Aug 15, 2023 10:05:32 GMT -7
I'll weigh in with my goal in suggesting this change. I would like to thin the overall talent level of the CHL such that its teams more resemble NHL teams rather than mutant super teams. I think lowering the size of the draft is one means by which we can slowly lower the talent level. It will take years. Years and years. As to why I would want to do this, well, the CHL has 19 #1 centers on 12 teams. That's 1.67 per team, where the NHL has, of course, 1.0. Further, the CHL has 18 #1 LW, 17 #1 RW, 19 #1 LD, and 16 #1 RD. You can dispute the numbers - they'd vary slightly depending on source (I used Dobber's annual Fantasy Guide) - but there's no denying that CHL teams are superpowered. There's a CHL team with 13 top-6 forwards. Another has 8 top-4 defencemen. This concentration of talent can lead to a huge disparity between the top and bottom teams, even within a league that is way above average on the aggregate. I'm not trying to spoil anyone's fun, just trying to reduce the talent level to a point where we're constructing teams on which (NHL) 3rd and 4th line skaters are part of team-building strategy. Short of a salary or talent cap of some sort, reducing the supply is the only means by which to lower overall skater quality. (Though I'm sure there are others I've just not thought of.) Vote to lower the draft to 4 rounds if you agree. Vote against the change if you think that this will have no effect, a negative effect, or if you're happy with the status quo. Won't dispute our teams have too much talent - will dispute the numbers. Was McDavid the #1 C or was Draisaitl? Want to know which one to value as only a second line centre. Were any of Chicago's active, end of season 1st liners any better than most teams' 2nd liners? Would probably have been quite willing to trade their entire EOS 1st line for a good player on some teams' second line. Comparing talent as to where someone slots on the depth chart is not a strong argument. Using an extreme old timey example; Dave Semenko wasn't much of a talent but he sure got a lot of first line ice time in Edmonton with Mr. Gretzky.
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Post by Belfast on Aug 15, 2023 11:50:23 GMT -7
I fully understand that our teams have more talent than an average NHL team.
But isn't that supposed to be part of a fantasy hockey league? How much fun is it to have to play replacement players, simply because you can't be bothered to go out and try to trade to make your team better?
Where's the cost to playing a replacement player for a season? Where's the limit? You get free players to fill out your games, you gain better draft picks, which now would be more valuable, at zero cost to you.
As a rather trade happy GM, I go out and I do my very best to field a championship possible team. I overpay for draft picks, I overpay for 1-2 year aged veterans, simply to remain competitive until the wheels fall off.
How many people in the league don't, or haven't even initiated a trade in the last 5 years?
We've always wanted more trading to happen to balance out the teams, how does allowing a team to simply play a free guy if they're short help this aspect we want?
Would our teams be exceptionally bloated if we averaged them all together? Or would they be moderately above talent, which should be the goal here?
These are only a few reasons I have against the removal of the 3 rookie slots and the reduction in draft rounds with the addition of replacement players for free.
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