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Post by nash on Jun 29, 2023 13:56:31 GMT -7
And Yamamoto, but Kostin is the real prize.
Any thoughts Adam?
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Post by Adam (Moose Jaw) on Jun 29, 2023 15:04:45 GMT -7
Last time he was traded, he doubled his previous season point total, so I am cautiously optimistic  His /60 stats were pretty good last year, with him tying for 5th on Edmonton in Points/60 (2.2, matching Tyson Barrie and Evander Kane), and 6th in Goals/60 (1.2, 0.1 behind Kane), so as long as he gets more than 10 minutes of ice time per game, I think he will do well. Things are looking positive for his new contract, but he was thinking about heading back to the KHL.  |
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Post by Adam (Moose Jaw) on Jun 29, 2023 15:05:41 GMT -7
I would love to see him on a "Tiny" line with Michael Rasmussen and Elmer Soderblom (total height of 19'5").
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Post by Shamrockville on Jun 29, 2023 15:38:19 GMT -7
Yeah I'm not sure what the league can do about all these trades for "futures". I think all of these out of control contracts are hurting the sport. I get guys wanting to make money, but you have to ice a full 23 guys for the team. One, or 4 , superstars can't carry a team to a cup so I think the GM's need to start telling these guys that and hold a more firm line in the sand. When you're trading two reasonably good, young guys for nothing, just to save yourself 5 million....that indicates you're team has far too many bad contracts to be ultimately competitive.
Good for Kostin and Yamamoto, but shitty for the league as a whole.
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Post by Adam (Moose Jaw) on Jun 30, 2023 10:35:59 GMT -7
And Yamamoto, but Kostin is the real prize. Confirmed, Yamamoto just got bought out. |
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Post by QC Mike on Jun 30, 2023 23:42:09 GMT -7
And Kostin was not tendered an offer so now is a UFA. Someone please explain this trade to me.
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Post by nash on Jul 1, 2023 6:46:50 GMT -7
I think Yzerman did his bro a solid.
Kostin would have been a UFA if he didn't sign by noon today and could have signed with Detroit at that point. Or the KHL.
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Post by bonavista on Jul 1, 2023 8:08:50 GMT -7
Except Kristin did sign for 2 years
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Post by Shamrockville on Jul 1, 2023 18:02:15 GMT -7
Some of this is nuts. Duclair to SJ for a 5th and some chump Steve Lorentz? These GM's are insane. Gostisbehere 4.5 million? Ugh. Kerfoot 2 years 3.5 a season?!? And they waive Yamamoto? Compher 5.1 a year for 5 years? Pierre Engvall....7 years???! WTF is a Pierre Engvall? Yikes...4 years for Killorn? Thats not going to age well. Bunting to CAR doesn't look bad...4.4 ish per season doesnt seem absurd.
Tons of absolutely mind boggling stuff going on. This is nutters.
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Post by alphalackey on Jul 2, 2023 17:40:29 GMT -7
This is happening to a number of skaters including Sprong! With a four-year flat cap GMs are concerned about expensive arbitration contracts. And so, in conjunction with player agents, they’re not qualifying, to remove arbitration, and re-signing them as UFAs, thus kicking the problem into next season. For a few, like Puljujarvi, it’s because of injury, but for most it’s just a way to re-sign at lower short-term cap hit. My two cents. Like, I get that Sprong plays sheltered minutes. How many teams are there whose entire 4th line plays sheltered minutes, and doesn't add up to 20 goals? I can only assume it's that they didn't want to pay the amount of money they know he'll surely get on the open market with that statline? |
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Post by Shamrockville on Jul 2, 2023 18:38:30 GMT -7
Yeah a whopping 2 million! Yes the cash strapped Kraken surely couldn't have come up with that. I'm positive money was the only reason he was let go.
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Post by nash on Jul 2, 2023 22:31:31 GMT -7
This is happening to a number of skaters including Sprong! With a four-year flat cap GMs are concerned about expensive arbitration contracts. And so, in conjunction with player agents, they’re not qualifying, to remove arbitration, and re-signing them as UFAs, thus kicking the problem into next season. For a few, like Puljujarvi, it’s because of injury, but for most it’s just a way to re-sign at lower short-term cap hit. My two cents. Like, I get that Sprong plays sheltered minutes. How many teams are there whose entire 4th line plays sheltered minutes, and doesn't add up to 20 goals? I can only assume it's that they didn't want to pay the amount of money they know he'll surely get on the open market with that statline? The question is whether Sprong didn't get any good offers because he has no track record or deficiencies in his game or if he took a 1 year deal to bet on himself. With a repeat performance and the cap going up, he could end up with a nice deal after this year. I'm not sure which it is but he was signed as a UFA when he wasn't qualified right? |
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Post by alphalackey on Jul 3, 2023 22:21:38 GMT -7
Yeah a whopping 2 million! Yes the cash strapped Kraken surely couldn't have come up with that. I'm positive money was the only reason he was let go. You know full well that the only way money matters to teams is in cap hits, right? Why else do you think the Jets, for instance, bought out Wheeler's last year. Do you think they really gave a shit about saving ~$5 million in real money, when their team owner is the literal fourteenth richest motherfucker on Earth? I can't believe I'm saying this about you, the man who once told the 4th Dimension Magic community "that's okay, I'll err on the side of killing everybody", but you're smarter than this  |
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Post by alphalackey on Jul 3, 2023 22:27:25 GMT -7
Like, I get that Sprong plays sheltered minutes. How many teams are there whose entire 4th line plays sheltered minutes, and doesn't add up to 20 goals? I can only assume it's that they didn't want to pay the amount of money they know he'll surely get on the open market with that statline? The question is whether Sprong didn't get any good offers because he has no track record or deficiencies in his game or if he took a 1 year deal to bet on himself. With a repeat performance and the cap going up, he could end up with a nice deal after this year. I'm not sure which it is but he was signed as a UFA when he wasn't qualified right? He plays 11 minutes on a 4th line in a huge sheltered role (1st percentile quality of opposition).. and still got 20 goals. That's a dream goal for a team's entire fourth line (play sheltered minutes, 20 goals). And he was pretty good the year prior in G/60. Surely in this day and age, we understand how much more value Sprong has than a face puncher OH WAIT A MINUTE, somehow, Reaves got 3 years with the Leafs, lol. The only org that should give Reaves a three-year deal is a fucking federal penitentiary. |
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Post by nash on Jul 4, 2023 4:24:55 GMT -7
I think we all look at these things very narrowly, only about on-ice performance. NHL teams have other criteria which affect it, but we can only judge what we can see.
Maybe he brings a life-like marionette to the rink to watch him practice?
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