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Post by QC Mike on Jun 6, 2023 22:16:04 GMT -7
Change the eligibility for this rule to read "Skaters may be designated as inactive at the CHL Annual General Meeting if at the end of the season in question (cards) they have played fewer than 82 career NHL games OR have played in 349 or more career NHL games but had 12 or less games played (15%) for the season in question."
Remove the bullet point "Once made active may never again be designated inactive by the same team"
This will allow for veteran players who participated in less than 15% of their NHL team's games to be parked in our version of LTIR at the cost of a "rookie" spot. Hopefully to some extant will still force GMs to take chances on evaluating young players who are still developing when building their rosters.
Changed the wording on timing of eligibility to remove a possible issue where if the AGM was held after the season started a skater could "age out" by playing their 82nd game.
Note: Also recognized that the rule currently reads "Skaters" and should probably be edited to "Players".
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Post by Shamrockville on Jun 7, 2023 0:15:56 GMT -7
Well it would alleviate my issue with Landeskog not being available to me until some time in 2026. Lawrence would cry "Foul"! I'm sure since he'd have missed that opportunity.
I'm also a tad confused by the 349 games.
I get the gist and wouldn't mind allowing for proven players who have early, season ending, injuries a slot in the 3 "LTIR/ROOKIE" slots.
I DO agree with a guy staying put for the season once put in, as Steve alluded to, it will prevent the scenario he mentioned.
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Post by QC Mike on Jun 7, 2023 1:31:41 GMT -7
What is the significance of 349 games? Why can’t skaters who’ve played 82 to 349 games be put on “Injured Reserve”? I am against removing the “once made active” clause. This was put in place to prevent pulling young skaters out for a mutant half-season then tucking them away again. 349 games is 85% of 5 full seasons. If I'm using 15% as the cutoff for LTIR in a season I'm using its obverse (85%) over 5 seasons to determine what a veteran is. I chose 5 seasons as an arbitrary value to determine a veteran.
I understand the rationale behind the half season mutant can't tuck away again after but I'm trying to get rid of a potential future situation if this rule is accepted where Team A drafts a player, puts them as Inactive for their sophomore year and then 8 years later when that player get injured for a season but Team A would be unable to give them the "Inactive" status as it violates the "once made active" clause. I'm open to suggestions on alternate wording that would prevent the former but allow the latter.
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Post by brandonmoose on Jun 7, 2023 4:54:56 GMT -7
Can't we just simplify the rule any uncarded player can be put on the list for the season at the agm? Can be put on the list multiple seasons if uncarded for multiple seasons.
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Post by bonavista on Jun 7, 2023 7:02:21 GMT -7
sort of agree here. at 43 players this is almost an entire 2 teams. Rosters are 23 players on an NHL Roster which means we we basically have an entire team and most of a farm team.
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Post by brandonmoose on Jun 7, 2023 7:36:18 GMT -7
I thought roster was 35 plus 3
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Post by bonavista on Jun 7, 2023 8:11:36 GMT -7
didn't we increase it to 40 either last year or the year before?
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Post by nash on Jun 7, 2023 8:48:46 GMT -7
It's still 35+3.
Few points:
1. What is the rationale for this? I appreciate guys get injured, but the 3 spots are intended to be a farm team. In the NHL the injured player still has a contract and it counts against the contract limit.
2. If you have a guy on long term injury in the NHL and you don't want to use one of your 35 spots for as opposed to last years 4th round pick, then you can trade him to someone who will.
3. Who is going to keep track of this? It's easy to put in more and more rules like this when you aren't the one monitoring.
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Post by QC Mike on Jun 7, 2023 11:24:49 GMT -7
It's still 35+3. Few points: 1. What is the rationale for this? I appreciate guys get injured, but the 3 spots are intended to be a farm team. In the NHL the injured player still has a contract and it counts against the contract limit. 2. If you have a guy on long term injury in the NHL and you don't want to use one of your 35 spots for as opposed to last years 4th round pick, then you can trade him to someone who will. 3. Who is going to keep track of this? It's easy to put in more and more rules like this when you aren't the one monitoring.
1. Make more GM strategies available. Daniel had traded away all his draft picks for two seasons to build a veteran, win now team. With no draft picks a "Farm Team" for rookies is of no use to him but old guys get injured more often and may miss a season. This is an attempt to support that strategy within the framework of our game. 2. True but what value is an uncarded veteran who hasn't played a game yet this year and might not for a while? Last year's 4th could probably be put on the Farm but as per my previous note, if there are no previous year's picks ...
3. Instead of checking if a player has 81 or less career games when placed on the farm list you would now be checking that a veteran had played 349+ games and had played less than 12 for the season in question. Number of players hasn't changed, you just might have to look at two pieces of info for some players. And with the removal of the restriction regarding not having been on the "Farm" previously it would actually work out as less data to track.
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Post by revelstoke on Jun 7, 2023 11:34:05 GMT -7
I thought we already added LTIR last year during the AGM (it's in the 2022-2023 rules on this forum):
We have added the feature that GMs may store a non-rookie player who has appeared in 12 or less games the previous NHL in these spots as well. The player is not active for the current CHL season, may not be played or traded, and is then automatically returned to the regular roster at the conclusion of the season. No vote is being conducted for this change.
So this is effectively being able to use the spot in the 3 'protected' if the player hasn't played enough that year, OR use it for a rookie who hasn't played enough period, no?
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Post by QC Mike on Jun 7, 2023 11:52:47 GMT -7
I thought we already added LTIR last year during the AGM (it's in the 2022-2023 rules on this forum): We have added the feature that GMs may store a non-rookie player who has appeared in 12 or less games the previous NHL in these spots as well. The player is not active for the current CHL season, may not be played or traded, and is then automatically returned to the regular roster at the conclusion of the season. No vote is being conducted for this change. So this is effectively being able to use the spot in the 3 'protected' if the player hasn't played enough that year, OR use it for a rookie who hasn't played enough period, no? That proposal was voted down as it was designated as an additional spot (3 rookies plus one IR). This proposal is just to say the three "Farm" spots are Rookie or IR - GMs choice.
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Post by revelstoke on Jun 7, 2023 11:55:30 GMT -7
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Post by brandonmoose on Jun 7, 2023 12:24:53 GMT -7
It's still 35+3. Few points: 1. What is the rationale for this? I appreciate guys get injured, but the 3 spots are intended to be a farm team. In the NHL the injured player still has a contract and it counts against the contract limit. 2. If you have a guy on long term injury in the NHL and you don't want to use one of your 35 spots for as opposed to last years 4th round pick, then you can trade him to someone who will. 3. Who is going to keep track of this? It's easy to put in more and more rules like this when you aren't the one monitoring.
1. Make more GM strategies available. Daniel had traded away all his draft picks for two seasons to build a veteran, win now team. With no draft picks a "Farm Team" for rookies is of no use to him but old guys get injured more often and may miss a season. This is an attempt to support that strategy within the framework of our game. 2. True but what value is an uncarded veteran who hasn't played a game yet this year and might not for a while? Last year's 4th could probably be put on the Farm but as per my previous note, if there are no previous year's picks ...
3. Instead of checking if a player has 81 or less career games when placed on the farm list you would now be checking that a veteran had played 349+ games and had played less than 12 for the season in question. Number of players hasn't changed, you just might have to look at two pieces of info for some players. And with the removal of the restriction regarding not having been on the "Farm" previously it would actually work out as less data to track.
1)Mike fuck Daniel he is in the finals his strategies seem fine 🙂 2) if a gm has open spots for rookies but has no rookies he can trade with other teams to get rookies and open spots on his team. 3) opening it up to any uncarded player makes the rule super easy
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Post by Shamrockville on Jun 7, 2023 12:26:32 GMT -7
Ok let's simplify this a touch, what set up is the 3 slot buffer? Is it rookie only, or is it rookies/uncarded vets?
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Post by Shamrockville on Jun 7, 2023 12:30:08 GMT -7
1)Mike fuck Daniel he is in the finals his strategies seem fine 🙂 2) if a gm has open spots for rookies but has no rookies he can trade with other teams to get rookies and open spots on his team. 3) opening it up to any uncarded player makes the rule super easy Dude! Why so mean!? What the hell did I do to get dragged into this so violently? These are just suggestions from our "friends", to discuss on the boards. WAY to much venom and exasperation, evidenced by edited and deleted posts. Let's keep this civil, it's where we're supposed to be putting suggestions and questions.
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